http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8240206.stm

Do you think that it would be a good move by the BBC to put them on it?

Would be an interesting watch to see what they've got to say, would probably take some abuse too. Hopefully it would discredit them quite a bit.

It's about time they had them on question time yes.

Being from an area with a large BNP support, I see next to nothing wrong with them. at the end of the day they have taken a political route rather than an a campaign of violence, to the disgust of many of their former members. They also provide strong opposition to the three leading parties which have in Stoke-on-Trent neglected us for 30 years.

I have never voted for the BNP but I know dozens who have, they are sick of our area being a shithole, sick of losing work to china, india and other parts of the world. we have seen a city with more than 3 major industries collapse, causing in the early 1990s a unemployment rate as high as anywhere else in the uk or europe, our coal mines, steel works and pot banks have been purposely destroyed by successive governments both Tory and Labour! It's no surprise now, that the Pottery industry is on it's last knees after years of 'promise' that people have little faith in the main parties and the BNP vote has sky rocketed.

The rise of BNP is down to the inept career politicians who care little for their respected areas and their only point to their jobs is following the policy of their party. what ever happened to our political system, when an MP wasn't so much a party-political lead buffoon.

Theyve had convicted terrorists on question, so how can people be upset about a political party that has a mandate, love them or hate them they have as much right as any other party to be on the show.

reallly?

what about their leader being a holocaust denier?
what about them having a whites only policy?
what about them staging mock trials and executions of blacks using 12 year old children at their festivities?

off the top of my head....

anyway, i approve of them getting a space on question time, bbc giving them just enough rope to hang themselves with.

Maybe you could tell us about the murderers in Sinn Fein? and tell us why they should get air play over the likes of the BNP?

This is the usual claptrap from the Left Wing, they have a hate for freedom of speech, if they didnt then they wouldnt get on like spolit children, as use debate, maybe its because they have just as little to bring to the table as the bnp. As youve said give the bnp enough rope.

Its at this point you shoud be stopped



The use of force against an opressor has always been fair game



"The only measure, sooner or later, which is going to stop immigration and stop large numbers of sub-Saharan Africans dying on the way to get over here is to get very tough with those coming over.

"Frankly, they need to sink several of those boats," he told BBC Parliament's The Record Europe. "Anyone coming up with measures like that we'll support but anything which is there as a 'oh, we need to do something about it' but in the end doing something about it means bringing them into Europe' we will oppose."

The great Nick Griffin

What has this got to do with SF?

Anyway, one shall bite..

SF get airplay and they do continually 'hang themselves' with it as well, their councillors at a local level tend to be downright awful in interviews and if we had an electorate that didn't vote a long such tribal lines then they would never get voted in, they are useless.

What it has to do is that the left wing are quick to jump and attack the BNP, but play double standards with the murderers of SF/IRA.

I believe in freedom of speech,as Ive already said give them the rope and let them get on with the job.

Does that include blowing up people out doing their shopping, surley the use of violence against the will of the people is undemocratic?

You talking about commercial targets or what?
"The will of the people" bandwagon again, whats democratic about ignoring the 1918 election results?

Commercial targets oh I like that, no I mean cold blooded murder.

At the end of the day, Northern Ireland was formed the Irish agreed to it, if one didnt want to live there one could move across the border to the land of milk, honey and peadophile priests.

Despise the BNP, but SiN is right in that they do have as much right to be on the show as anyone. It'll be interesting to hear what they have to say to the public.

This debate was on the radio when I was in work yesterday. The Labour representitive kept comparing them to SF and saying that they wouldn't have let them on during the IRA's terror campaign. However, IMO (and this should be everybody's opinion), you cannot for one second compare the BNP (a political party, like it orn not) with the IRA, terrorists planting bombs and killing people. Very very poor from the Labour MP indeed.

Anyway, I do think that the BNP should be on the show. They have been voted in by the people (again, like it or not) and have as much right as any other party to appear if they so choose).

Secondly, I think it's important for a lot of people in Britain to hear them. People like myself. People who find themselves being drawn to the BNP because they deal with the issues which concern us most. We need to hear them debate with other parties (who don't just dismiss them out of hand and call them racist. We actually need to hear an engaged debate between them and the other parties so that we can see why we shouldn't vote for them. If we don't see why we shouldn't (proven in a debate with other parties) then we will continue to be attracted by them as the mess this country is in continues to deteriorate.

Whilst I might be drawn to some of their ideas, I wouldnt trust them as far as I could throw them, the leadership is using smoke and mirrors to cover up what they are really about. I find myself drawing towards the UKIP, who are multi-cultural, but still hold onto British values. We have a sizable enemy within our borders and that needs to be addressed with common sense, that should include getting out of Europe and tougher means testing for those entering the country, not the gimmicks the present powers are using.

Agree SiN, I do agree with some BNP ideas myself but UKIP would be my choice where I from the mainland. Bascially I could go on about them but I'd be repeating yourself.

This may well be an indictment of successive governments but could you tell me which of the BNP policies are gonna remedy this situation?

And even if they had policies in this area you'd have to put up with their less savoury ideas too.

Dress them up any way you want. If it walks like a facist and smells like a facist then it's very likely a facist.

Yes commercial targets?
Are you reffering to the british army now or what, please differeniate.

There was an election and the results were ignored how hard is that for you to understand, so bitter that you refuse to except the 6 county state was built on utter shite....people will never except the orange statelet and everything that goes with it.Why should anyone suddenly be told oh actually you now live in the 6 counties but if you want you can cross the road and live across in the 26.You also decide to yet again have a pop at the Catholic church, one hell of a biased atheist you are.....obsessed with religion if anything as you try bring it into any argument

So are you saying that the church didnt have a big say in the running of the free state?

You do realise that the guns of 1912 where still in the country, then remember the men where now trained and blooded in warfare, do tyou think they were gioing tio sit back and let their birthright be sold off after coming to the mother nations call in 1914, not shit, but blood, toil, tears, and sweat is what it was built on.

Didn't read all the crap before but I think they should avoid giving these disgusting people a platform.

...you do realise many Catholic/Nationalists also fought(and died) and were made the same promises as the Protestant/Unionists? Britain said what everyone wanted to hear so as they would fight - the eventual settlement was the easiest way out for them. They don't care about you or your culture. Northern Ireland WAS built on utter shite as CR said

They have changed their views on the holocaust, they have jewish members and a Jewish councillor.
Whats wrong with whites only policy there are blacks only organisation Oranger Order is a non catholic organisation and there are Asians only football tournaments.
Mock trials and exucutions never heard of this but dont think you have the right to take moral high ground with thon butcher as your profile picture.

Anyway great to see the BNP on Question time good to see they are being given the same freedoms are IRA/SF and the corrupt crinminal labour and tories parties.

You cannot just change your views on the holocaust as simple as 1,2,3. Nick Griffin will deny the holocaust until the day he dies.

What's wrong with a whites only policy? It's a racist policy, that's why! Political parties should not have whites only, blacks only etc written in stone. Sure, Protestants may not want to join Sinn Fein and the same with Catholics when it comes to the DUP, but they are not policies. The difference between The Orange Order and the BNP is the Orange Order is a Protestant fraternal organisation, not a political party who want to have a say in the way a country is run!

I was discussing this today and was made aware that there was one stage that SF were NOT broadcast on TV or radio whilst actively supporting the IRA. Not sure how true it is, but the fella is a fair bit older than all of us on here.

The BNP should be given their chance on question time though, they will be torn down. It's interesting though, how someone can support the BNP but not all their aims. Especially the aim that effects us most - Ireland being united.

Oh and as for racism, I do not like to nit pick T-89 and I know you said before that the reason you have Ché as your avatar is because of our jumper or whatever it was, but I ask you who was it that said the following:

"The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: The Portugese.... the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead."

Adams' voice was dubbed over when he appeared on national news. I'm sure there is footage of it kicking about on YouTube.

I know all about the 10th and 16th, they were never told they would have home rule, they where told that it would be looked into, which it was and common sense won the day.

But it's very funny how someone who open said all racists should be killed could ever own anything with said person represented on it? A tad hypocritical if you were to ask me.

Please tell me where I said that?

I couldnt care, there Irish as you well know


Back to this though
There was an election and the results were ignored how hard is that for you to understand, so bitter that you refuse to except the 6 county state was built on utter shite....people will never except the orange statelet and everything that goes with it.Why should anyone suddenly be told oh actually you now live in the 6 counties but if you want you can cross the road and live across in the 26.You also decide to yet again have a pop at the Catholic church, one hell of a biased atheist you are.....obsessed with religion if anything as you try bring it into any argument

As an atheist why shouldnt I be having a pop at a country run by a bunch of religious peadophiles and recent events only show what a grip they still have, suffer the little children and the did.

So this was programme was broadcast last night. No doubt that the BBC only included the BNP on this show as a way to give an audience boost to a programme thats otherwise dieing on its arse.

Anyway, did anyone else watch it? I was dissapointed, though not surprised to see the show not really being about question time, more just 'lets have a dig at Nick Griffen' time.

Absolutely shameful seens by the fucking moronic left-wing arses outside BBC in London, and also a fucking protest in Belfast yesterday today aswell. 3 police officers were injured trying to keep the animals under control, the scumbags really showed themselves up, way to go democracy!

On the show itself, many may disagree, but I think it was a fantastic example of why people are turning to the BNP. The inablities of the so called 'big' parties to eloquently argue their case against the BNP was embarrasing, thought only the young tory woman did well for herself. Griffen's treatment almost had me feeling sympathy towards the bellend.

He made a few decent points. when he said plenty of people find the sight of two men kissing repulsive. He said he doesn't know why and that gay men obviously don't understand why this is the case but it is. I firmly believe that many of the other panelists would agree, but just didn't have the balls to say it - what they really think, typical.

He got laughed at and abused for this when it is actually true...

Also Jack Straw kept failing to answer the questions on whether Labour's failure to control immigration into the country is a key reason for people turning to the BNP.

He was destroyed for the most part.
I especially liked the bit where he denied ever saying the things attributed to him.When it was pointed out that he was on video saying one of the quotes he denied, he changed his mind and said he "didn't mean it"

Yeah that's true, at some points he looked quite nervous and some of his answers were highly unconvincing.

Griffin was hanged, drawn and quartered.

"Skin colour is irrelevant."
"I don't deny the holocaust anymore."

Fucking bullshit. Loved how he dodged the point about the holocaust though, only for the whole panel to tell him he was talking rubbish and he could easily tell us his view on the holocaust.

It was indeed an early Christmas present Mr Griffin, watching that was better than any Christmas TV. Give it up, you're not very good.

Can't beleive he tried to deny the holocaust the tried to turn it around was a complete joke, he made a fool of himself and for that reason alone he desvered to be made out to be the dick that he is

That show was a farce, pure and simple.

Instead of disucssing real issues and exposing the BNP for what they are the program was just a big 'let's all shout down Griffen' fiasco.

There was no discussion on current events, on most of which the BNP have no viable policies whatsoever, and instead it was all 'why did Griffen say this, why did Griffen say that'. Even when Griffen was able to make a valid point the rest of the panel and the audience just indulged in shouting him down. Nobody came out of that program with credit IMO.

Even having said that Griffen managed to prove himself the prince arsehole amongst them all.

BNP is making a formal complaint to the bbc over what Nick Griffian "a linch mob" on question time last night

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...-lynch-mob.html

Im not too sure where the media are coming from at the minute as they are all saying that NG was destroyed by the other and the audience, what program where they fukcing watching, as far as I coould see thy did more to help him than destroy him.
The audience and those on the panel missed a trick there last night, they spent too much time trying to tell us that he was nazi and not question of matters that counted, as he has no real polices on those subject and this would have shown him up more than trying to tells us what we already know about the man.

In one, SiN.

They had to chance to destroy his party and their policies. Instead they turned into bullies and dragged up old quotes of his which he laughed off. They missed the big picture, it was about destroying the credibility of the BNP with potential voters, not the repuation of Griffin. Jack Straw was awful, he doesn't have the balls to stand behind any issue, only spouting soundbites trying not to offend anyone.

It was like a Panto when NG tried to speak, the panel and audience trying to their best to hog the attention shouting out and butting in. When he did speak he made a complete helmet out of himself (KKK, skin colour etc.) anyway, the best thing they could have done was let him talk.

NG is no great orator or clever debater, but anyone would struggle in an audience which is totally against you and likewise with the panel- people should worry when the BNP get a more effective leader.................

As for that tool Bonnie Greer, she made a right airse out of herself- people like her are as racist as anything the BNP can offer, she takes issue with the fact that until relatively recently this country was a white country, she waffled about the Roman invasion as evidence of our hidden multi racial land- yes, the Roman Army, as bastion of black, white and asian who all settled here and lots of mixed race babies............who all mysteriously mutated into white people